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Topic: Do you prefer 3rd party over 1st party Nintendo games?

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FishyS

@skywake I feel like the distinction is Nintendo exclusives versus other games. Yeah, that is a varied net, but it's still a dividing line. And it's a dividing line which doesn't apply to most game companies. Since a lot of people who buy Switch mostly play a relatively few games with a good chance of most of them being exclusives, it's kind of an interesting question. Switch is cheap and has a zillion games so it still makes sense to buy a Switch even for people who don't like any of the exclusives.

Personally, although I play a ton of non-exclusives, I imagine if it wasn't for the exclusives I love, I might have just played games on my laptop instead of buying a Switch. I would have liked a Switch if I had bought it, but it wouldn't have occurred to me to buy it without the Nintendo games draw.

PS5 has exclusives from various companies as well but I still manage to be near-universally uninterested in the games they made exclusive so I can easily imagine someone who is not interested in most of the Nintendo exclusives-- yeah, they are all different, but the franchises and styles are still (with some definite exceptions) fairly Nintendo-y. Switch (for the most part) aims for a different vibe with their exclusives than PS5 does.

And yeah, you can point out lots of exceptions, but the question of the thread was 'prefer' not 100% love or hate.

If I had to choose between only Nintendo (exclusive) games and non-Nintendo I suppose I would pick Nintendo because they have some of my favorite games I could easily poor hundreds of hours into. It would be sad not to get all the lovely indies though.

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FishyS

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skywake

@FishyS
Whatever the distinction is it's arbitrary and meaningless. If you extend it out as far as games that are exclusive to Nintendo it becomes even weaker again. And I think my point remains, would there even be a discussion if this was about some other major game studio? I think not

We can point to the Wii U failing as an example of what happens when Nintendo gets little to no third party support. But the fact that the Wii U could still sell 13mill with basically zero third party support? I mean, it wasn't great.... but can you imagine how many PS4s would've sold without CoD, GTA5, Red Dead, The Witcher, FIFA, Fallout, Battlefront? Probably would've been worse than the Wii U I suspect

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Bolt_Strike

@skywake While true, keep in mind that a company's leadership strives to partner with people that share their values. When they bring in new employees and teams they want them to work well with the rest of Nintendo. When they partner with an outside company that they don't completely control they want those companies to do justice to their IPs and treat them similarly to how Nintendo themselves would treat them. They'll intentionally look for similarly minded people because that helps maintain the brand (now of course they won't think and act exactly the same, but they want people that think similarly enough that they don't completely clash on the direction on their games).

So it might not even matter much that some "Nintendo" games aren't actually made by Nintendo. If Nintendo disapproves of what an outside company is doing with their IPs, they won't put it out on the market in the first place.

Bolt_Strike

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FishyS

@skywake almost no game studios own their own console which is why there isn't a discussion like this for them. You can bet similar discussions happen with playstation.

As for Nintendo exclusives, there really aren't that many outside of the main franchises, but if you want to be less arbitrary, stick with the main exclusive franchises. Those franchises are what Nintendo is famous for and it's unclear if their hardware would sell well without them. And whether or not you think it's a useful argument to have, it's easy enough to have an opinion of whether you overall prefer Nintendo franchises or games outside of those franchises. Most of us (including the person who started this thread) of course like some of both in practice. Your example of Wii U is interesting — how many people would buy Switch just for Nintendo games if there was nothing else. It makes me wonder how many families own a Switch with just Animal Crossing and Mario Kart. I'm also legitimately interested if people buy Switch and never play a single Nintendo franchise. As for Playstation, I know multiple people buying PS5 only for Final Fantasy 16 😝 And it's only a timed exclusive...

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skywake

@FishyS
I guess my point is that it's a bit of a one sided equation. We're comparing the output from one company to the output from every other company that releases content. OP wasn't talking about just on Switch, they were talking Nintendo vs everyone else. My point was more that the fact that this can even be a discussion shows how strong Nintendo's output really is. Most other companies don't have their own platform? Well yeah. Most other companies don't have their own platform BECAUSE they don't have the strength of IP and quality of output that Nintendo does

Look at it this way. This is the percentage of top 50 selling games on PS4, XBOne and Switch that were published by their respective platform owners:
XBOne: 16%
PS4: 20%
Switch: ...... 90%

It's not even a competition. Can you buy a Playstation and not pick up Uncharted, Spiderman, God of War, The Last of Us? Sure, seems like a thing people do. Can you buy an XBox and not pick up Forza, Halo, Gears or Minecraft? Sure, definitely. Can you buy a Switch and skip Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Zelda, Poklemon, Mario, Mario Party, Splatoon, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Yoshi, Xenoblade, Pikmin etc, etc..... I mean you could, seems very unlikely you would though

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Grumblevolcano

@FishyS With FFXVI, you can pretty much almost guarantee it's never coming to Xbox given the whole FFVII Remake situation:

  • Launch on April 10th 2020 with 1 year exclusivity
  • PS5 version (Intergrade) launch on June 10th 2021 with 6 months exclusivity
  • Epic Game Store version launch on December 16th 2021 with 6 months exclusivity
  • Steam version launch on June 17th 2022
  • Still no sign of Xbox version

So pretty much if you want FFXVI on a console you need the PS5, maybe things change whenever Nintendo releases a more powerful system given we don't know if the current situation with FFVII Remake is about specifically blocking Xbox or about permanent console exclusivity.

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Cotillion

Exclusives really drive the point home of Nintendos IP for me. I buy Nintendo consoles for their IP and games. There's no other developer I'd do this for (if they released consoles).
Stuff like Final Fantasy XVI, or whatever else, is never enough to entice me to buy the system they're exclusive for. The last time I bought a console for the exclusives that wasn't Nintendo was the Dreamcast.

Cotillion

Anti-Matter

Here is another things.
3rd party games are very important for me as the games have wide variety in genre so I can expand my gaming experiences from them.
Games are very subjective things.
Some peoples like 1st party Nintendo games.
Some other peoples like 3rd party games.
Other peoples like both of them.
My case I prefer 3rd party games more than 1st party Nintendo games due to my different life experiences and opportunity.
I didn't grew up by N64 and Gamecube games during my teenhood in early 2000's so my gaming experiences have been shaped from 3rd party games on PS1 & PS2, so those games really shaped the genre I like to play and became my standard of interesting games I want to play.
I got reintroduced by 1st party Nintendo games from Wii games but there were some of those games I never have interest with them even until today.
Since I didn't even grow up by action games with adult looking characters, so I didn't even have any interest with zelda games, fire emblem, xenoblade, etc.
I grew up by a lot of cartoonish games for kids even during PS1 & PS2 era, the kids games from Wii and NDS really amplified my hype for more 3rd party kids games as I like to play cute looking games.
So, from all these experiences, I don't have very strong interest with certain 1st party Nintendo games since from my perspective, the games like zelda or splatoon or xenoblade will be never look interesting for me regardless of any opinion from other peoples.
Those games just don't look interesting at all for me, why should I force myself to play uninteresting games to be same like other peoples?

Here are the hype meter of 1st party Nintendo games I played.
ARMS = Very High
ACNH = Very High
Mii games= Moderate
1-2-Switch = Moderate
Style Savvy = Moderate
Pokemon games = Low
Dillon's Dead Heat Breakers = Low
Mario games = Low
Kirby games = Very Low
Metroid Prime Federation Force = Almost dead
Wind waker Wii U = Almost dead

Anti-Matter

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Purgatorium

Anti-Matter wrote:

Those games just don't look interesting at all for me, why should I force myself to play uninteresting games to be same like other peoples?

Do you force yourself to play these games?

Purgatorium

Anti-Matter

@Purgatorium
Actually...
I have forced myself to play wind waker Wii U when the last minute I saw the game was available on my local online shopping website with quite expensive price but the cheapest option. I have zero interest with any zelda game until suddenly I felt I want to take a risk by picking wind waker Wii U while it was still available and I played for quite long.
My first reaction was like what is this game.
It was like normal adventures games I have ever played from 3rd party games but my hype with wind waker lost again after I played Story of Seasons Friends of Mineral Town on PS4.
After some thought, maybe... maybe I can get along well a little bit from toon link since I have interest with cartoonish chibi looking but... It doesn't mean I will play other zelda games in realistic looking.
I have forced myself to play wind waker Wii U and my thought... It was okay, not really interesting... But I still have very very low hype with that game.

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Anti-Matter

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Purgatorium

@Anti-Matter
This sounds like you tried something and you didn't like it. But from earlier I sounded like you regularly force yourself to play games you don't like so you can be like everyone else.

Obviously, you don't have to do that. I don't think anyone cares that you don't like certain games. And if they do, just ignore them. Just enjoy the games you enjoy.

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Purgatorium

Wilforce

I’m with @Anti-Matter. 3rd party titles give diversity to the Nintendo lineup. For better or worse, Nintendo titles have become very formulaic and while they generally evolve the core game concepts with each titles it’s more or less the same. Third party titles have an opportunity for exposure to innovative game concepts, or at least just different gameplay. I still love playing games like Super Mario Bros and Metroid, but have moved on to playing almost exclusively co-op games like Monster Hunter and Minecraft, which is a field Nintendo only dabbled in with games like Dragalia Lost.

Wilforce

FishyS

@Anti-Matter it's interesting that Kirby is so low on your list. It's one if the most cartoony-for-kids franchises Nintendo has. Just goes to show that even though people have preferences for general types of games, individual games can break the trend.

Personally I find Arms and Splatoon kind of similar. Both are colorful and cartoony fighting games. Splatoon is a bit less violent but also has the focus on teamplay so obviously they're not the same at all but my brain still puts them in the same category.

Back to the third party question, Skywake makes an excellent point at just how much the Nintendo IP sells consoles like Switch. In theory Switch is an excellent reasonably priced machine for playing indies and third party games, especially for people who don't care about the mega-graphics PS5 type games. This was even more true before semi-competitors like steam deck existed. However I think the vast majority of people bought Switch with Nintendo IP in mind.

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Purgatorium

I personally find the question weird. "3rd party" is an entirely meaningless distinction when it comes to game quality. Specific developers matter, for sure, but the term "3rd party" lumps them all together and reduces the term to nothing.

Purgatorium

Anti-Matter

@FishyS
I have very low hype with Kirby games since I only have Kirby game Star Allies as my first time playing Kirby game.

ARMS and ACNH are my biggest hype since both of them are the games with genre I like the most (Boxing and Life Sim games).

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FishyS

@Anti-Matter I only played the demo of Star Allies but I kind of hated it. Kirby has some great games and some pretty mediocre ones.

ACNH will always be one of the stars of the Switch generation; definitely a good game.

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skywake

Purgatorium wrote:

I personally find the question weird. "3rd party" is an entirely meaningless distinction when it comes to game quality. Specific developers matter, for sure, but the term "3rd party" lumps them all together and reduces the term to nothing.

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Snatcher

Anti-Matter wrote:

@Snatcher
But as a human, you know one thing maybe never enough so the unique experiences from 1st party Nintendo games still not enough for me as I keep expanding my gaming experiences from other games so I can adapt with new games quickly.
Sometimes, the different experiences from 1st party Nintendo games are not interesting for me after I got the comparison from 3rd party games for similar games. Let's say Rhythm Heaven vs DDR.

From my perspective, the Rhythm concept from Rhythm Heaven was unique by using random characters to show the rhythm patterns that you must press the button, but Rhythm Heaven is not the right model for a decent rhythm games for my taste as the rhythm games like DDR / Beatmania IIDX / other Rhythm games by Konami already set the bars really really high and those Rhythm games became my standard by providing banger musics, interesting U/I design, difficulty degrees, challenging stepcharts, scoring system, etc.
Rhythm Heaven is unique rhythm game but without the design like DDR or other Rhythm games by Konami, Rhythm Heaven looks straight flat and boring for me.
The uniqueness from Rhythm Heaven just simply useless for me as I want something cool from Rhythm games, not the weird looking things.
And thus I still prefer 3rd party games over than 1st party Nintendo games when the uniqueness from 1st party Nintendo games don't even working on me.

RH isn’t trying to be Nintendo ddr, which is just fine, but it is a rhythm game, that Nintendo owns, so if you were to play said type of game, and if you like said type of game, chances are you will like rhythm haven, now that’s not the case for everyone of course, but it’s still something A person CAN do, now maybe for you that’s not the case, but it can be for someone else, now I can’t speak for everyone but I know if I wanted too, I could just play first partys titles for a wile.

Nintendo are like woman, You love them for whats on the inside, not the outside…you know what I mean! purah best Zelda girl! 😊

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skywake

I do like the occasional snippets of Anti I see in this thread, makes me aware of how completely off the rails this thread must look like to some. There is some blatant irony in that last post. Kinda amusing that someone could say with a straight face that they keep expanding their gaming experiences and are super open minded about what's out there. Then goes on a tirade about how Nintendo doesn't make this very specific genre of game. Before dismissing a Nintendo published title entirely because of "the look of it" and then Nintendo published titles entirely

Kinda reminds me of when I was like 15 and was super obnoxious about not liking very specific genres of music. I'd go on forums like this and rant punk was all the same, that rap was garbage, country was for rednecks, pop was trash. But then I grew up and realised that labels are dumb and what matters is whether or not the thing itself is good. And in hindsight realised that, in fact, when I was making those arguments I was either being entirely dishonest or I was just completely ignorant of a whole range of artists

Saying you don't like an entire category of art? I mean, you can feel that way if you must. And maybe you legitimately do. But it's a bit unwise to cut yourself off from entire collections of works because of some arbitrary category or worse some image you're trying to project. Doing that is quite literally the reverse of "expanding your experiences". Saying "Rhythm Heaven looks straight flat and boring for me" is, frankly, as dumb as me when I was 15 saying I didn't like Rap while simultaneously liking The Avalanches, Beastie Boys, Hilltop Hoods and Outkast. Just.... super dumb....

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Allspice

Anti-Matter wrote:

@FishyS
I have very low hype with Kirby games since I only have Kirby game Star Allies as my first time playing Kirby game.

ARMS and ACNH are my biggest hype since both of them are the games with genre I like the most (Boxing and Life Sim games).

Star Allies, while I liked it, is not a very strong entry in the Kirby series. You might want to check out the other two Switch games (both have demos) or, if you have a 3DS, pick up the 3DS ones. Triple Deluxe especially.

Allspice

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