Switch Hardware Sales Now Over 125 Million, PS2, Nintendo DS Target Still A Way Off

Who seriously expected the Switch to outsell the PS4 in March 2017? Come on now, own up..

The crazy thing it that PS4 was launched on 2013-2014 and Switch on 2017! Waaay later with downgraded specs and still won the battle!

I own PS4 and in the past xbox360 but I like Switch more, so am I not a Nintendo fanatic.

It may not catch DS or PS2, but you have to give credit where credit is due. Switch has achieved third highest selling video game platform ever without any official price cuts, that is darn impressive.

If their next console is an upgraded Switch with backwards compatibility (which would be the sensible thing to do) and they sold the original as a budget model. There’s no reason it couldn’t blow past the DS and PS2 easily.

I’m not sure that’ll happen though. The one thing you can’t count on Nintendo doing, is the sensible thing.

If there is no successor in 2024 it might beat the DS and PS2. But I am not holding my breath.

Release a Switch Pro and its game over for PS2 and the DS.

@eltomo six years later? That would make as much sense as Sega releasing the 32x. Nintendo needs to announce their next full console in the next year.

If these numbers are anything to go by no reason to rush into another console ? Just crazy # in year 7

I never thought that the Switch could outsell the DS, mainly due to smartphones and the like having gobbled up so much of the casual audience that the DS/Wii attracted beforehand. I remember seeing two older ladies (probably in their 50s/60s) in the DS section of an electronics store talking about how much they enjoyed the Professor Layton series and I thought that it was such a bizarre thing to overhear as I never thought that the DS's reach had extended quite that far.

I don't think that the Switch has attracted casuals to that degree, but what Nintendo has successfully done is lure "hardcore" gamers away from being tethered to their consoles/PCs as the versatility of the Switch (arguably) outweighs the compromises required to bring AAA experiences to a portable/wireless device. The fact that certain publishers continue to sleep on the Switch to this day is utterly baffling considering its market dominance.

So, perhaps the Switch may break a few more records between now and the release of its successor after all.

These figures are definitely helped by households requiring the purchase of multiple Switches.
There are only 2 of us and we have bought 4 (1 original, 2 Lites and 1 OLED) whereas we have only bought 1 of every other console.

@BanjoPickles GBC is a GB revision rather than a successor and Nintendo did release it 9 years after the GB launched so Nintendo could easily do something similar with the Switch.

You cannot easily compare hardware sales of portable systems to home systems, the portable is a more personal device in a house, like a mobile phone, for example. I think many have more than one Switch, I have a launch model and a Lite one. It is true that I also have two PS2s but I bought the second because the first had hardware issues, there is no way I would get a second one. Also, you could say that some people might have both a PS4 and a PS4 Pro but I think it is way more common to have only one. And don't get me started on the DS. I have one of each major iteration of the thing!

Still going great though! The decrease is obviously expected. It's mentioned that 3 million units were sold in the last 3 months but what's the total over the entire 12 months?

Switch has peaked and is on the decline next generation is needed soon

@123akis roughly 17 to 18 million but that was a decline from their original expectations of 21 million for physical year 2022 and that's way less than 2021

Happy day one owner. Never did I own so many games for a gaming system. Keep giving your best Nintendo.

That's what you get for combining both handheld and home console markets, if the switch was catering to just one of those markets then I doubt it would be selling past the 70 million mark.

Hopefully this makes Nintendo realise they have a winning formula and stick with it going forward with Switch 2,3,4 etc.

Definitely impressive numbers, especially coming off the dismal failure that was the Wii U. As great of a concept that the Wii U was, and had some pretty awesome games for it, it just didn't sell. The final record has it at about 13.56 million units sold. The only other standalone system from Nintendo that wasn't a hardware revision or peripheral (so no Game Boy Micro or the Japan-only 64DD) was the Virtual Boy, at about 770,000 units sold.

I'd get into heated debates with an assistant manager at one of my old jobs about Nintendo's fortunes during the Wii U era. He was one of those "I haven't liked Nintendo since the SNES days" kind of people, saying that Nintendo should just go the way of Sega already and start putting their games on the PS4. I advocated for a wait-and-see approach to see if they could turn their fortunes around with the Wii U like they did with the 3DS.

While I freely admit that the Wii U was a failure, I had the last laugh in the end, because the Switch has sold like wildfire, even outselling the mighty Wii, and is now the third best-selling system ever, and catching up to the DS and PS2. I wonder if that assistant manager has changed his tune, or is still stubbornly clinging to his belief that Nintendo should just go the way of Sega already?

So, if you split it in two, to campare to when Nintendo had two active systems at the same time (home+handheld), its about comparable to SNES+GBA.

@RasandeRose
SNES and GBA were not on the market at the same time lol

The lack of Virtual Boy on the total sales list is disappointing. Deliberately leaving it off to make the Wii U look worse I guess.

@westman98

Did I claim they were?

At this point the podium lineup is for time to tell. Said "way off" is 30 mln units and even Nintendo's lategame-cautious goals expect half of it over this fiscal year alone - and they're still holding on to the price cut card.

@Grumblevolcano GBC has a bit too much going for it, from features to exclusives, to qualify as a "revision". It boasts a fair few games that outright look unimaginable on Game Boy, something that could be rarely said even of N3DS (except maybe Xenoblade), let alone of other revisions like NDSi or PS4 Pro. But Nintendo will probably never admit it after Advance release cut the console's sales short enough that they still find it apparent bad publicity to list them separately from the Gen 4 predecessor.😅

Nintendo's riding on Zelda TOTK alone this year. We'll get our new console (Switch Pro/2/new concept/whatever) in March 2024. If it's still part of the "Switch" line of products, then it will easily surpass 155 million. If not, the Switch will probably top off close but not reach that fabled number.

@BanjoPickles I hear you, but I wouldn't be surprised if a Switch Pro showed up.

The DS got a final revised version 5 years after it's original release, but could argue it was just larger screen over the DSi.

If Nintendo were interested in the accolade, then they'll do something to push sales.

I just upgraded to an OLED a couple weeks ago, so I'm doing my part. I think there are still a lot of people who will upgrade with TOTK coming out (although I picked the Splatoon 3 one. I'm still looking forward to TOTK, but I just like the Splatoon design). There have got to be a lot of people who will need to upgrade from their older switches with fast draining batteries (trust me, it's worth it).

Wow, 125m and still going strong. If it keeps going like it has, it'll outsell native gamecube hardware this year.

I can see Switch tailing off completely at around 145m sold. Nothing to be derided.

@123akis Switch sold 18,08 million times in the last 12 months, here's the data:
Q1 2022 (31.03.2022): 107,54 Mil.
Q2 2022 (30.06.2022): 111,08 Mil.
Q3 2022 (30.09.2022): 114,33 Mil.
Q4 2022 (31.12.2022): 122,50 Mil.
Q1 2023 (31.03.2022): 125,62 Mil.

Switch Sales
FY 1 (03. - 31.03.17): +2,74 Mil. (total sales: 2,74 Mil.)
FY 2 (Apr '17 - Mar '18): +15,05 Mil. (total sales: 17,79 Mil.)
FY 3 (Apr '18 - Mar '19): +16,58 Mil. (total sales: 34,37 Mil.)
FY 4 (Apr '19 - Mar '20): +21,40 Mil. (total sales: 55,77 Mil.)
FY 5 (Apr '20 - Mar '21): +28,82 Mil. (total sales: 84,59 Mil.)
FY 6 (Apr '21 - Mar '22): +22,95 Mil. (total sales: 107,54 Mil.)
FY 7 (Apr '22 - Mar '23): +18,08 Mil. (total sales: 125,62 Mil.)

and all of this after the Wii U!

People are forgetting that the Switch will still be selling even when the new system is out for at least another year or so.

They didn’t even announce the new system yet let alone a release date. Switch still has plenty of life left.

Switch doesn’t even have a price discount either yet in any of their models which we all know is an easy aggressive way to push HW sale numbers.

30 million more is a big ask.

Selling 17m next year and then 13m the year's following isn't impossible but very unlikely.

The Gameboy had life years after the Advance came out but it still feels out of reach.

I remember all the hate on the Switch console on reveal, how it wouldn't be successful all. Third time best selling console proved the naysayers wrong.

I think one of the reason is because many people upgrade their switch after nintendo update the console, I myself already bought 4 switch (lol) because I wanted the best console for playing nintendo games.

Bought the first version, then the lite version (I really wanted dpad), then the v2 (bigger battery means more gameplay time), and last, oled version (just like the psvita)

If all Nintendo wants is to break a record, they’ll just call the next switch the [New] Nintendo Switch and claim all sells of that count towards the gen, same as they did with the Gameboy color, New 3DS and DSi.

They are also very likely to keep the Switch in the market at a very low price point even after the successor launches, I would not be shocked if for 2 more years, to try pad those sales. Lots of games will likely ship as cross-gen.

The PS2 had sold around 110 million after 6 years, so the Switch is tracking well ahead of it. What’ll make the PS2 difficult to surpass is the fact than next gen was so expensive at launch, so it continued to sell well several years into the life of the PS3 and XB360. Add the fact that the Wii and DS appealed to different markets and you have a unique situation that probably won’t repeat itself here, since I can’t see Nintendo charging $600 for Switch 2.

Of course, Switch only needs to sell 30 million in the time it took PS2 (post PS3 launch) to sell 45 million. Definitely possible.

@nkarafo Enter scene : Parents with money

Once the new system is announced they will start giving away the Switch which will likely boost sales considerably. I think the DS/PS2 is out of reach though. People's tastes are more fickle than they used to be. What's the next thing while they chase the pretty colored string.

A slow first quarter but 125 million after 6 years is very impressive. The Switch will sell over 140 million lifetime.

I think there's a very good chance the Switch will become the best-selling console in history. It all depends on when the Switch is discontinued. All models of the Wii weren't discontinued until a few years after the Wii U launched. And since the Switch's successor won't be launched until 2024 (at the earliest) then the Switch likely won't be discontinued before 2025/26.

So, yes, the Switch has a good chance of beating both the DS and PS2.

PS2 sold 31 million after PS3 was released, and let's remember that the Switch has still somehow never had a price drop. Also, given the DS's role as a PDA and PS2's as a DVD player, the Switch is already the best-selling gaming-exclusive machine in history.

@Thomystic According to my friend's list (many of whom I just found randomly playing similar games) some people use the Switch almost exclusively as a YouTube player. I have some people on my list who have 1000s of hours on youtube alone.

@Jalex__64 me! And it did!

@Cashews nah, just some people, it's an exclusive game machine. Even the friends that my kid has added, and they're around 8-10 years old, play games on their Switch.

The Switch will overtake the PS2. It's selling way faster than that one did, and Nintendo will still make it, beyond the release of their next console, that I'm willing to bet, will come out at least, on 2025.

@Edu23XWiiU oh I know it isn't common. I imagine a kid whose parents won't let them watch tv past a certain time and them hiding under the covers watching the Paul Bros. wreck a house.

Sure it can outsell the PS2. In addition to the new games, it has two dramatic price drops in its pocket ($149 and $99) left, plus bundle options at those price points, which would account for a surge of many more million more units sold.

In general hardware terms, especially where consoles are concerned, seven years with this much momentum is still very good. It makes sense sales would be slowing down, though I certainly wouldn't say the Switch is on its way out quite yet. My guess is another hardware revision or true successor - hopefully with backwards compatibility - will show up in a year or two.

TBH, I'm fine with waiting. I didn't grab a Switch until late 2019 and have amassed quite a backlog. So many good games, so little time.

@Jalex__64

I'm a Nintendo fanboy, so I'm biased, but before the switch came out, several developers were saying that "the new Nintendo system was really cool" and had them excited. If the developers are excited for a system, I believe it has real potential. People want to make games for it, and thus, it'll be the place to play the games people want to make.

So I thought it had strong potential. . . also, I didn't realize just how many systems PS4 had sold (fan boy).

Those are incredible figures. Yeah, the PS4 is firmly my secondary console.

The PS2 made a stellar success in emergent countries because you could easily buy a PS2 with Matrix and burn your DVDs in your computer. Thousands of people made a living in my country by selling PS2 pirated games in the middle of the street.

The DS... Every videogame store in my country selled the console bundled with the R4 or Acekard. Nobody cared about buying games.

TLDR: No console will every surpass the PS2 because no console will be ever pirated like the PS2.

I've added a couple to this total. Just got my second OLED (zelda)...first one had a little scratch that was driving me crazy

@Chaotic_Neutral How do you need 4 Switches for 2 people?

This is how the DS got such high sales though, so it's still a fair comparison.

I think Steam is the best one.

But my Nintendo Switch is the second.

Xbox and Playstation are in their respective boxes, stored in my video game collection. I don´t play these systems anymore.

80% of my gaming time is playing Steam and 20% is playing Switch.

I thought it would sell like the 3ds…… give or take a few million….

It could surpass the DS and PS2. We're talking 25million sales in the next 2 years. That's 12.5million a year. A price cut within a year will push it through and it'll surpass the DS and PS2 I think

The Switch has fulfilled most expectations that Nintendo fans have had while waiting through the dark times. You know, back when it was hard to be a fan. The quality of certain titles has kept us following like animals down the bread crumb trail. It’s been a long time, but I think Nintendo has returned to its original glory!

Sales may be slowing down, but it still sold more units in the 6th year than Wii U sold in total, and only a bit short of lifetime GameCube sales that's pretty incredible.

@Cashews hehehe yeah, on those cases. But, I think kids mostly use cellphones for that.

It's slowing down, but not to the point they feel a price cut is needed it seems. Honestly, at this rate, it will see a huge ressurgence in sales as folk start getting nostalgia for a system that's still out! Hahaha!

A price drop would definitely boost unit sales, that is if Nintendo needed more units sold. But since the Switch has already established a market and proven itself, the only reason it should get a drop at this point is when there is new hardware on the horizon ready to go with a street date. I mean 15 million projected is very reasonable and doable at the current price point even for the Switch at this stage (and another 15 over the next 2 years for the record if Nintendo would keep it going), with TotK and MP4, if we can get it. But basically only Nintendo can get away with that whereas Sony and XBox are overly reliant on a steady stream of flagship releases in order to sell consoles.

If Nintendo want it to be the best selling console of all time then it will be. It's really all down to how many more big game releases it has left in it and if they wanted to throw another console revision out there.

If for example they released a Switch Pro, next Mario Kart, Mario Odyssey 2 etc they would smash through that target but I think that's unlikely with a Switch 2 likely on the way in the next 12-18 months, they have likely been stockpiling releases.

They could always do something out of left field so it wouldn't be too unexpected to see a new revision, perhaps something completely random like a Switch Mini with a smaller screen more like the GBA in size, and with a significant price cut aimed at a younger market.

We saw it with the 2DS, the Wii Mini, GBA Micro and combined with something like Switch selects range of games, there's definitely mileage in it.

My guess is they'll just let fizzle out after Zelda being its last big release though, but we shall see.

@masterLEON I think MP4 has already been moved to the next console. It's far too quiet on that front to think anything is arriving soon. I think with TOTK and Pikmin 4 releasing in the next 2 months Nintendo will have made good on all of their outstanding promises with only Metroid shifting, but we did get Dread and and the remaster somewhat unexpectedly so I think that's reasonable.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a summer announcement for a Switch successor with a view to launching Spring 2024 around the 7 year anniversary of Switch.

@Morph There is no way a company reveals new hardware before the holiday season whilst it's selling over 12 million a year. (Wii U was dead and buried by then.) Unchartered territory I'm sure refers to the minefield of transistioning. They are probably quiet for the back half of the year as they are trying to navigate that minefield with a road map of release dates. Dare say they are waiting for the Mario Movie effect and Zelda reception too.
As for Prime 4, it might come to the next console, but Nintendo will honour the console it was announced for. They are good like that.

Can't believe the gb advance sold so many more units than the 3DS. I never met anyone with a gba, but saw lots with the 3DS.

On the contrary, didn't think the PS4 had sold as much as it has.

So lifetime sales are estimated at around 150m by the time it’s done

@RattenGenossin Woah impressive for sure! Thanks for that year-on-year breakdown! I have Wii U, so I can happily say that I was part of that 13.56 mil lol. In those times I'd be laughed at if I told people I have a Wii U but now several of my friends have a switch.

@KBuckley27 I found out before reading your comment but thanks anyway! Definitely my tired moody self in the morning after little sleep

The Switch OLED was very helpful in maintaining sales momentum. But I'm honestly not sure how it will go on against the rising sales of the PS5. Maybe that'd be enough of a wake-up call for them to finally release the successor and become in contact again with the grand scheme of current-gen development.
Of course the Switch will still sell quite a lot even after the successor arrives (especially if they cut its price), as long as they don't discontinue production. They know what a grave mistake that would be.

@chardir I bought one at launch, I then traded that towards a Lite when they came out as I never hooked it up to the TV. I then needed to buy a second Lite so the Mrs could play Animal Crossing and then ended up getting the OLED for the better screen.

Hopefully that will be the last 1 I buy as I hardly turn it on now. I have Gsmepass and PS+ Extra so don't like spending money on games when I get so many to play for free.

Only the Switch Pro can answer that question...

I honestly think the Switch will become the number one best selling games console if they release an updated version that counts towards sales figures.

But I'm so happy with my Switch. It's perfect for me. I would rather Nintendo continue to do things right.

We'll see what happens.

@Jalex__64 Definitely, Nintendo portables always dominate. Combining their home and portable consoles and franchises on one device it was really obvious to me what was going to happen. Then youve got kids each having one unlike a home only console, and the controllers snapping off for instant 2 player games anywhere is a fantastic advertisement for the product. You could have 2 people play Mario Kart at the bar, an airport, school, etc, a PS4 doesn't get so much exposure sitting attached to the tv at home.

Switch could easily beat the Nintendo DS and PlayStation 2 sooner if Nintendo did a price dropped on all Switch models during the holiday season.

passing the DS may be possible. Not sure on the PS2

@FirstEmperor wrote:

"The PS2 had sold around 110 million after 6 years, so the Switch is tracking well ahead of it. What’ll make the PS2 difficult to surpass is the fact than next gen was so expensive at launch, so it continued to sell well several years into the life of the PS3 and XB360. Add the fact that the Wii and DS appealed to different markets and you have a unique situation that probably won’t repeat itself here, since I can’t see Nintendo charging $600 for Switch 2.

Of course, Switch only needs to sell 30 million in the time it took PS2 (post PS3 launch) to sell 45 million. Definitely possible."

Actually, i think you are wrong, what made PS2 successful was largely a super strong position on the market and strong brand and how all the competition failed.

Sega run out of money and could not match PS2 with Dreamcast. Nintendo Gamecube was released too late, so was Xbox. Gamecube had some other problems too. It was quite cheap but the game library was a bit limited and it released at a point in time when people were a bit bored of Nintendo perhaps and wanted some more adult games (now when we are all adult, we want nostalgic nintendo games again) and the kids probably for the most part got a GBA instead. I mean, gamecube had a great game library in the typical Nintendo genres but not in some other genres. And it only had 1,5 GB discs.

Xbox was also too late and too pricey at launch too, and kind of a niche product for hardcore gamers with a lot of typical western games, and both the machine and the first gamepad was a bit clumpsy. I think Xbox was great for FPS games and online gaming at the time. But it was not at all as mainstream as the PS2. PS2 at the time was quite okay but Xbox had better graphics. Better textures, less flickering. PS2 had much bigger franchises and games. Like GTA games which only eventually, like in 2004 maybe, made it to Xbox. Xbox did have a huge hit with Halo though.

@Simon97 (continue)

Yeah, i think PS2 was so successful because the competition at the time largely failed. The PS2 outsold Gamecube about 7:1 ratio i think in hardware. In Japan, Xbox almost did not exist (which is still probably the cas with newer Xboxes).

And PS2 outsold Xbox about 6:1 i think.

PS2 sold huge numbers even before Xbox 360 and Ps3 launched. But Xbox 360, and Wii, really changed everything. Commercially, Xbox and Xbox One are failures from Microsoft but Xbox 360 was a console where they did almost everything right.

Xbox Series S / X are maybe doing okay but Microsoft almost seems complacient about being last. They are not in it to sell most consoles now, they want to be no 1 with subscriptions and cloudy games.

Actually, i would say Xbox Series S / X are not doing okay right now, with some big games either getting poor reviews or delays, and not enough exclusive games. But Microsoft might not need a lot of big games to get the subscribers to game pass.

As an Xbox owner, it is kind of nice to get all the games to play on Game Pass. But it is kind of not nice to have such few AAA releases and a lot of time in between them. But the Xbox sale proposition to customers is still kind of nice, especially as a subscription and available even on pc and phones and as a cloud device on a tv. and Xbox Series S is kind of cheap. But as for exclusvie games, Microsoft is not in great shape.

Anyway, i think Switch might sell a few more units but Switch right now is not very cheap compared to significantly more powerful Xbox Series S. So i think there is not a big competitive advantage with the price. Switch Lite is only 100 dollars cheaper than Series S i think. PS2 perhaps had a bigger competitive advantage.

But on the other hand, Nintendo might lower the price for Switch Lite from 200 to 150 dollars and then it suddenly is quite a lot cheaper than Xbox Series S.

And i think Wii and DS appealed to almost the same markets. Maybe Wii was a bit more for adult-casual gamers and DS more for kid gamers. But the target audience was kind of the same. And the games were kind of the same too, same style of games, cute and friendly style. Except for a few Wii games like Red Steel and the Conduit.

I think the Nintendo target audience has been kind of the same for most part of the last 20 years. Maybe they tried to expand it a bit with Wii U. (A console for both We and You.)

I think Switch is doing great and it might not reach same sales as Nintendo DS but......... it could still earn more money for Nintendo if Nintendo earns more money from the sale of each Switch unit than each DS unit. In such a way, the Switch could be more successful.

Also, Nintendo might earn more from selling gamepads and joy-cons on Switch than they did from selling extra stuff on DS.

And a DS game was maybe only like 40 dollars, not 60 dollars, so maybe they earn more money from the game sales too.

In one way, Switch might be more successfull than DS, if you look at the game sales and the dollars (+ euro, yen and others) from hardware sales.

@Simon97 None of these points refute anything in my post, because like I said the PS2 only sold around 110 million after 6 years, which is when the PS3 launched. So the PS2's dominance vs GameCube/Xbox was not enough to keep it ahead of Switch when launch aligned.

It's the PS2's continued success vs XB360/PS3/Wii that will make it difficult to top. No other console is even close to selling 45 million after its successor launched, but Switch won't need to. If Nintendo meets its 15 million target for this FY then its only another 15 million they need, which is certainly doable even if Switch 2 launches next March.

Also, when I said Wii/DS appealed to different markets I was referring to the PS2's market. This is why the PS2 was able to continue selling well despite the success of the DS and Wii. The only direct competition PS2 had was from the XB360 and PS3, which were priced out of the mass market for several years after launch.

Obviously it'll catch up on the DS but I doubt it'll pass the PS2... at 1 million copies difference 😉

Seriously, I doubt it. 25 million copies, I really don't think it will. They'll probably announce the next console by the end of the year to be released at the end of 2024 which will decrease the sales even more. So nope

@FirstEmperor A PS2 was much cheaper than a Wii which is much more important to explain why PS2 kept selling after the launch of PS3 and 360. What you definitely fail to understand is how important the price is. PS2 was much cheaper than Wii.

DS was also cheap, but just like PSP, it was a portable unit so it does not compare at all really.

PS2 was the budget option and it appealed to people instead of PS3 or Xbox 360 because of price. Not because it had a different target audience than Wii. Sure, Wii might have had different games and a slightly younger target audience, but PS2 in 2005-2008 also targetet a younger audience with games like eye toy, buzz m.m.

Hardcore gamers were not very perticularly interested in "below average quality" - titles for PS2 in comparison to stuff like Resistance or Gears of War. Like, who wants to play timesplitters future perfect for PS2 with sub par frame rate, graphics and online options when Xbox 360 is right there instead?

No, PS2 sold a lot to families and kids the last years. Or casual players who even considered Wii expensive.

Not just the titles i mentioned, but also games like Lego Star Wars.

Of course a comparison between Ps2 generation and current generation is tough to make since things have changed a lot since then. Market has grown a lot, people have more money to spend in general. 110 million sold units then is maybe even more impressive, considering a few things like for example how big market share PS2 had and how Ps2 was not a console with multiple new editions. Some families have two or three switches, one for each kid. The families hardly had a PS2 console for every kid. I think it is not fair to even compare. But PS2 was so much cheaper than Switch is so of course it sold a lot.. If Nintendo lowers the price, they might sell a lot of Switches for a few more years. But perhaps people are more eager to move on to next gen now compared to then. My guess is Switch 2 might launch for 300 or 350 dollars (with a new Mario game or Mario Kart 9), and Switch 1 might drop to 200 dollars and 150 dollars for Switch Lite, or 130 dollars for Switch Lite. But lowering the price too much on Switch and Switch Lite might hurt sales o Switch 2.

@Simon97 I haven't failed to understand anything. I brought up price where it was relevant (XB360/PS3). Wii launch price was cheaper than the PS2 launch price ($250 vs $300 in NA). If the Wii targeted the same audience as the PS2 then we would have seen PS2 sales slow just like how PS1 sales slowed when the PS2 launched. But PS2 sales didn't slow significantly, which means Wii wasn't selling to the same audience.

Your claim that Wii targeted a lower age than PS2 is wrong according to all the available data. Wii was very successful among an older audience that video game industry analysts previously thought was unobtainable.

Handhelds do occasionally compete with consoles, so the DS and PSP are absolutely relevant. The fall of console gaming directly correlates with the rise of handheld gaming in Japan.

This is a sales thread. Your opinions on what hardcore gamers like are irrelevant if the sales numbers don't back it up.

If say Nintendo sees a similar decline the next few years, there’s still a chance it can catch the ps2. After all, that console sold on the market for 10 years. My projections:
FY2023 - 15M
FY2024 - 10M
FY2025 - 5M

And if they do any discounting or add additional models - that would certainly help them get over the ps2. They also need a few more bangers - Maybe a 2D Mario, Prime 4, and Arceus 2.

I hope it outsells the ds!

Nintendo Switch is flying with sales. I do not know if it is going to pass Nintendo DS and the Playstation 2.

I'd love to see N take that #1 spot. Above all, I hope their next gen console doesn't disappoint.